Is the United States Turning towards Communism?

This may be an overzealous blog post for a personal finance website, but I have been thinking about this for a little bit.  I even tried to write a research paper on this when I was in college (awww so many years ago), but I was denied by my professor.  Well now I am older and can do what I want with my own blog! I have discussed my free market & political ideology in the past (click on the categories to the right and start reading!).

It can be argued that modern Communism’s father is Karl Marx.  Marx and his partner Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848 (yes, 80 years before Lenin ran with it in Russia).  It is a relatively short book…really more of a pamphlet.

10 Conditions for Transition to Communism

1.  Abolition of Property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2.  A heavy progressive or graduated income tax

3.  Abolition of all right of inheritance.

4.  Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5.  Centralization of credit in the hands of the State by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6.  Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7.  Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8.  Equal liability of all labor.  Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9.  Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of population over the country.

10.  Free education for all children in public schools.  Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form.  Combination of education with industrial production.

Well alright lets go one by one.

1)  Ever hear of the Supreme Court Case where the government legally (not morally) took land from private home owners to literally give it to developers?  Yeah that should make your blood boil. Want more info – Kelo v. City of New London.

2)  Our incomes taxes aren’t as bad as they were before 1981, but I think its NUTS we tax our top producers 35%.  Plus this is going to get worse.

3)  Well, we still have inheritances, but as I have discussed the richest get hit at 45% tax over $3.5million.

4)  See #1 – you disagree with how the land is going to be used it is taken.

5)  Seriously? Can anyone say Citigroup

6)  ummmm? Can anyone say GM

7)  This one may be dated, but I will say its similar to #6 with the State owning the means of production

8)  Again, this may be dated but the UAW now owns a piece of a GM!

9)  I can happily argue that the founding fathers would never had imagined a federal government the size of ours in comparison to the local governments.

10)  This one I am happy to see.

Am I crazy? I am paranoid? Please chime in.

16 Responses to Is the United States Turning towards Communism?

  1. HeinieKaboobler says:

    For the most part, you seem to be correct. Modern governments have been getting bigger and bigger ever since the end of WWII, although they are not necessarily moving towards Soviet- or Mao-style Communism.

  2. Communism says:

    the concentration camps are absent only

  3. Hunh, interesting list. I actually read the Communist Manifesto (intellectual curiousity, not a sudden desire to revive the Soviet Union) a long time ago, but I don’t recall these ten conditions. Here’s my (admittedly belated) take on them all:

    1. While that case (and more than a few uses of eminent domain that I’ve heard about) seem to show how the government can abuse its power to decide cases about the use of private property, I’m not sure it’s an example of impending communism. In that case, property was transferred from one private owner to another; hardly the abolition of private property we’d see with a communist society.

    2. Not sure 35% at the highest margin is that horrible (especially given the number of credits and other work-arounds that are available), but I do agree that things are only likely to get worse. It’s higher taxes, much reduced government spending, extraordinary inflation or some combination of the three if we hope to cut down the deficit.

    3. I’ll be honest, I have a hard time being too concerned about an estate tax that has a $3.5 million exemption. Again, a long way from ‘no more inheritance, period’.

    4. Again, eminent domain raises my hackles, but it’s a long way from confiscating all the property of those who oppose the state. When some Tea Party activist homes get seized for ‘the greater good’ (or the same happens to liberals under a conservative regime), that would be the time to worry in my book.

    5. We’re still a long way from only getting loans via the government; most of the troubled banks have paid back their loans, and it’s back to fully private ownership. Maybe next crisis we won’t be so lucky, but for now, I think we’re good.

    6. The day that GM (whether government owned or not) is the only source of transportation is the day we’re in serious trouble, regardless of whether the Communists are in charge or not.

    7. Less flippantly, the government is hardly in control of all means of production; there’s still plenty of privately owned companies, a fact that’s unlikely to change any time soon. (Although, that part about wastelands could be Superfund sites in disguise)

    8. I’m not 100% on what ‘equal liability of labor’ means, so I’ll take your word that union ownership of GM fits the bill. I’ve yet to see an ‘industrial army’ though.

    9. I’m not sure what the relative size of the federal government compared to state and local governments has to do with an abolition of the difference between town and country. I’d say that suburban sprawl meets the definition, though.

    10. I’m glad that you, me, and the Communists can all agree on this one; free education seems like a strong requirement for an educated society.

    • Evan says:

      Thanks for putting your view on each one. I don’t think we are there yet, but I hope you can at least see that we are moving closer and closer to it. I should specify I am not for free college education, just HS.

      I also don’t think it matters who the gov’t gives the property to, the fact that they TOOK IT, and reallocated it IS SCARY!

      • You’re quite welcome; I like to have philosophical conversations of this sort, although too often (particularly online) they devolve into people screaming pointless jargon at each other. As I said on my blog, though, I think if we are getting closer to government and corporations combining into one all controlling entity (which I think is possible, perhaps even likely), it’s more likely that it will be a corporate controlled government, rather than a government controlled economy. How different each would be in practice, I can’t say for certain. (One reason for bringing up the distinction with regards to eminent domain is because I do think they are at least a little different; although, it could just be a matter of which group of all controlling oligarchs is in power.)

    • tom says:

      Very good points. however, the next generations will be thoroughly indoctrinated with Frankfurt School style Marxism, in that they will believe anything “the state” tells them. The USA is right now, a neo m All belief systems will have been inverted, all that the Consitution stood for will have been subverted. Marxist state based on Frankfurt school critical theory.
      Cutural Marxism is rapidly merging with international or monoploy capitalism to form a devastating twin engine destroyer of liberty, borders, culture, both economic and societal. People are extremely naieve. They are sheeple going to slaughter. read quotes by Lenin.
      they are frighteningly prescient. We are headed fast-track style, towards Orwell’s 1984.

  4. Jay says:

    The fact that the government has deemed it legal to take land from one private individual and give it to another means that we have lost ownership in principle. The government, when it wants, will take it. We’re not there yet, but we will be.

    Re: free education.
    I think free education is a great thing…. as long as the government is not involved. If the government pays for it, it is a government school. That school will teach what is in the government’s best interest which is not freedom or personal property rights etc.

    It has become plain to see that the schools will teach what the government wants them to teach regardless of the parents’ wishes. They won’t even let the parents opt their children out material they find objectionable.

    The government believes it owns our kids. The parents are just legal caretakers.

    We’re not there yet, but there are enough laws on the books that no one can live without breaking a law. When you do something the government does not like, they will find the laws you have broken and take you out of circulation.

    • Here’s where you and I differ, Jay: I think that the best group to have in charge of education is the government (ideally local governments, although state or even the federal government could still work). Why, you ask? Simple: We, the People, are in (indirect) control of any government run schools, and can, via our votes, determine what is taught in them.

      Think there isn’t enough being taught about alternatives to Darwinian evolution? Vote in school board members who support a creationist view. Too much mention of God in the classroom? Add some atheists to the state Senate. Want the opportunity to opt out of parts of the educational process you don’t approve of? Put political pressure on the superintendent of the school system, and watch it get fixed. Any other problems with the curriculum? Write, call, or otherwise let your legislator(s) know, and if you can gather a large enough group of others who agree with you, before you know it, there will be changes afoot.

      Now, do I believe that the current near-monopoly that most government schools have on children’s education is a good thing? No, I think there should be more options for schooling, ranging from home schooling to privately run schools, and that parents should be able to have more control over what and how their children learn, and where said students go to learn it. (I’ve proposed as much on my own blog*, and I still think that opening up more options to parents and students is in our country’s best interest.) That said, there’s a big difference between ‘expand the choice beyond government run schools so students can go to the school that works best for them’ and ‘no government involvement in school, at all.’

      *http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/improving-our-schools-funding/

  5. Vicki says:

    I doubt we will ever fully adopt communism. However, there are benefits to communism as there are a capitalist society. I see no problem in adopting the good things from all sorts of societies to make a comfortable place to live.

  6. tom briggs says:

    yes. Social marxism in the form
    of equalizing result, far from the original goal oforiginal civil rights goal of equalizing opportunity. ‘Racist’ is the new
    Salem witch hunt charge. Part of Marxist plan that no one talks about is the ‘browning of America’. Do you really think this is a coincidence?
    It’s all by design. Social Marxism
    and monopoly capitalism in an ever-tightening stranglehold on ‘free’ USA.

  7. Frankie says:

    I would have to disagree with many of you about how far away we are from communism. We are alot closer to it than you think. Look at all the local and federal laws being put into effect or trying to be put into effect by our government. More and more are taking away our rights. I already know what you are going to say….”Vote out who you don’t want and vote in who you do.” Easier said than done. Even with a large group of people who believe the way you or I do. There are very few uncorrupted politicians in the U.S. today. The few who arn’t very rarely get voted in. Unknowns never get voted in. Its all about name and money. As far as the land deal. Well, around here landowners and home owners get screwed out of their land by the courts and gov. all the time. If Walmart wants it, they get it. If a hospital wants it they get it. Of course they offer the owner some money for it at first, but if the owner doesn’t take the money, the courts give it to the company. The owner still gets money but quite a bit less than what was offered when the owner refused. This isn’t communism? Even though the owner got money, they didnt want to sell. BS in my book. If they state or government wants land they take it. Of course they give the owner some money to make themselves look good, even though the owner didn’t want to sell. Its all crazy. If you have money and a name you get what you want. Why? well think about it, if the person has money and a name then the government is going to get more money out of them. You cant do anything anywhere without breaking a law. One day I won’t even be able to smoke in my own house, if the government doesn’t take it first. I There are way to many things to list that show we are very close to communism. People just need to open their eyes.

    • Evan says:

      I have to agree with a lot of what you said…I don’t think I was disagreeing with the premise that we are moving closer to Marx’s vision

  8. Rodney says:

    Frankie answered the question very well…. chip by chip we are going down the path …. and lately chipping faster towards communism and I don’t think the American public even notices …..

  9. Frederick1337 says:

    While I appreciate the fact that you have a brain and at least understand that many members of legislation and congress have sold us into communist slavery, I do strongly disagree with some of your opinions, based largely on my observations of China and other communist nations. For instance, the very idea of forced schooling is more applicable to communism as this helps to establish a conditioned reflex akin to acceptance of slavery through a monetary base system. The very fact that communists in general are overtly “blind” to such realities as modernization, mechanization and population increase, make me laugh at the very idea that Marxist theology would try to put upon us with some fancy words mixed into some B.S. systemic evolution ideology. The fact that the world is ever changing, and that the universe is in constant flux is apparent, but to try to use that to say that the next stage of systemic evolution is Marxism, without even considering the facts surrounding the inevitability of mechanization of all fields of labor? There is no need to continue on in this archaic labor strategy, unless for a fascist state capitalist strategy of forced labor, and that my friend comes from acceptance of slavery. Better Red than dead, homeless and freezing on the street right?. The fact the the fascist Obama is freezing our people to death, whilst giving billions in foreign aid to hostile nations like Israel and Mexico, just proves not only the ignorance of our nations leadership, but also their obvious ineptitude and acceptance of communism in general. Take Bloomberg for example, he is bent on denying our people their entitlements, like life liberty, freedom from oppression, freedom from slavery, but try to deny Israel theirs and see how he reacts. Fake Liberals should perish from the earth. So should the businesses who prescribe to foreign labor trade. They are treasonous and should be hung to death by the neck. Not to mention the obvious violations of war treaty, such as the Guadalupe Hidalgo treaty – article 5 – paragraph 4. So much more I could comment on, such as indentured servant mexican illegals who are promised that their children, although illegal, will receive citizenship for their one lifetime of doing these lazy americans dishes and laundry, while they steal our land and homes through scam financial transactions such as credit bureau and land management, which incidentally are both communist in practice. if you have studied China at all.

  10. quincyjones says:

    Can someone please tell me the pros and cons of being a communist government. I get scared by the slightest thing,like today,i was just watching news about the two bombs in boston. Im so freaked out and this isnt helping. So would someone please explain?

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