Comments on: Why Teachers Anger Me! http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/ Elite Personal Finance and Estate Planning Information for Everyone Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:05:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Alisa Clark http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-65009 Alisa Clark Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:06:00 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-65009 FOR EVAN....also.... Not once did I say I was in "misery" nor did I imply that it is "so tough" just simply addressing the misconception that we have all this "time off". FYI.... I loved teaching. FOR EVAN….also….

Not once did I say I was in “misery” nor did I imply that it is “so tough” just simply addressing the misconception that we have all this “time off”. FYI…. I loved teaching.

]]> By: Alisa Clark http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-65008 Alisa Clark Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:02:06 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-65008 Well..since Jon was the one who posted it then I guess Jon!I don't have to quit...I already resigned when I had my duaghter 8 years ago, thanks. I taught in a suburb of NY for several years and lately I hear so many people teacher bashing. I think it is only natural to defend your profession. Best of luck to you . Well..since Jon was the one who posted it then I guess Jon!I don’t have to quit…I already resigned when I had my duaghter 8 years ago, thanks. I taught in a suburb of NY for several years and lately I hear so many people teacher bashing. I think it is only natural to defend your profession. Best of luck to you .

]]> By: Evan http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-65004 Evan Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:58:39 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-65004 Alisa, Not sure if you meant that for me or Jon but... If teaching is so tough then quit lol. No need to be the martyr it is fine, just quit. Alisa,

Not sure if you meant that for me or Jon but…

If teaching is so tough then quit lol. No need to be the martyr it is fine, just quit.

]]> By: Alisa Clark http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-65003 Alisa Clark Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:55:05 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-65003 If teaching is so great...then why not go into teaching? Then check back with us after you have walked in our shoes. And no, we don't get three months off. July is a "full mont" off but August you are back having staff meetings and setting up your room/roster for the next year. It is such a common misconeption. Again, please go into teaching and then tell us what you think. If teaching is so great…then why not go into teaching? Then check back with us after you have walked in our shoes. And no, we don’t get three months off. July is a “full mont” off but August you are back having staff meetings and setting up your room/roster for the next year. It is such a common misconeption. Again, please go into teaching and then tell us what you think.

]]> By: Mark http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-64288 Mark Wed, 11 May 2011 21:48:14 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-64288 There's also the benefits and pensions for teachers, so the base salary is not necessarily a good comparison. In my part of NY state, the benefits are quite a lot better than in the private sector. And teachers can collect pensions and collect them much younger than in the private sector, so we continue to pay much longer. There’s also the benefits and pensions for teachers, so the base salary is not necessarily a good comparison. In my part of NY state, the benefits are quite a lot better than in the private sector. And teachers can collect pensions and collect them much younger than in the private sector, so we continue to pay much longer.

]]> By: Mark http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-64287 Mark Wed, 11 May 2011 21:44:20 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-64287 If you're management, then you're not stopping at 5 either. You have the same types of homework as teachers, including evaluating the staff (children) and planning how to improve their productivity. Yes, there are those that don't, just as there are teachers that don't really plan their lessons. When projects fall behind, as they frequently do, overtime is expected. I would match my hours up with any teacher that wants to, but I continue for the rest of the year, without the Christmas break, spring break and summer break. If you’re management, then you’re not stopping at 5 either. You have the same types of homework as teachers, including evaluating the staff (children) and planning how to improve their productivity. Yes, there are those that don’t, just as there are teachers that don’t really plan their lessons. When projects fall behind, as they frequently do, overtime is expected. I would match my hours up with any teacher that wants to, but I continue for the rest of the year, without the Christmas break, spring break and summer break.

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]]> By: Little House http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-35323 Little House Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:12:57 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-35323 Wow! I missed out on this post. Let me set a few things straight (as a sub teacher working towards my credential, I think I might be qualified): 1. Substitute teaching isn't always babysitting if the person is familiar with the curriculum. 2. Teacher salaries vary from state to state. Some states pay more than others and teaching can be considered a "good" job since health care is usually included and a pension plan is in place. The vacation time is also a plus. However, teacher salaries are still on the low end of the spectrum considering the amount of education needed to teach. 3. Teacher's have to put up with many different personalities (from both their students and the parents) making it stressful at times. 4. High stakes testing has affected the curriculum, narrowing it to the necessities: language arts, math and science. This is a shame because some kids excel at art and music and need these as outlets. 5. Teacher unions are very strong. Great for teachers with seniority, awful for new teachers just starting out. This also means is very difficult to fire a bad teacher who has many years of seniority. 6. Because education is funded through state budgets, they are often the first to suffer from deep budget cuts. Meaning, fewer teachers, more kids in the classroom, yet they still have the responsibility to make sure all the children successfully meet the grade level standards. I agree that our education system needs to change. Seniority needs to be looked at differently, although we can't just go by state test scores. Education funding also needs an overhaul so schools aren't so dependent on state budgets. Oh, and as for the pension plans,there's a good chance that someday they might not exist. Which means for people like me, who've been contributing to one (and didn't have a choice) instead of social security, I won't see a dime of it. Now, you might say social security won't exist either, but it probably has a better chance of surviving that state funded pension plans. So we can't say teacher's are incredibly blessed with their pension plans. Wow! I missed out on this post. Let me set a few things straight (as a sub teacher working towards my credential, I think I might be qualified):
1. Substitute teaching isn’t always babysitting if the person is familiar with the curriculum.
2. Teacher salaries vary from state to state. Some states pay more than others and teaching can be considered a “good” job since health care is usually included and a pension plan is in place. The vacation time is also a plus. However, teacher salaries are still on the low end of the spectrum considering the amount of education needed to teach.
3. Teacher’s have to put up with many different personalities (from both their students and the parents) making it stressful at times.
4. High stakes testing has affected the curriculum, narrowing it to the necessities: language arts, math and science. This is a shame because some kids excel at art and music and need these as outlets.
5. Teacher unions are very strong. Great for teachers with seniority, awful for new teachers just starting out. This also means is very difficult to fire a bad teacher who has many years of seniority.
6. Because education is funded through state budgets, they are often the first to suffer from deep budget cuts. Meaning, fewer teachers, more kids in the classroom, yet they still have the responsibility to make sure all the children successfully meet the grade level standards.

I agree that our education system needs to change. Seniority needs to be looked at differently, although we can’t just go by state test scores. Education funding also needs an overhaul so schools aren’t so dependent on state budgets.

Oh, and as for the pension plans,there’s a good chance that someday they might not exist. Which means for people like me, who’ve been contributing to one (and didn’t have a choice) instead of social security, I won’t see a dime of it. Now, you might say social security won’t exist either, but it probably has a better chance of surviving that state funded pension plans. So we can’t say teacher’s are incredibly blessed with their pension plans.

]]> By: leslie http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-28476 leslie Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:39:40 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-28476 Teachers are awesome. Teacher's Unions on the other hand..... very un-awesome. You can blame the Union for your first three complaints. There are times when the teacher's themselves do agree to a raise freeze but the Union won't go for it. There are a lot of politics involved there. I go back and forth on the topic of tenure but, in general, I see it as incentive to work a low-paying job with no chance for a promotion. However, in the tri-state area, teacher's are not paid poorly and tenure is doing nothing other than letting bad teachers remain teaching. Teachers are awesome. Teacher’s Unions on the other hand….. very un-awesome. You can blame the Union for your first three complaints. There are times when the teacher’s themselves do agree to a raise freeze but the Union won’t go for it. There are a lot of politics involved there.

I go back and forth on the topic of tenure but, in general, I see it as incentive to work a low-paying job with no chance for a promotion. However, in the tri-state area, teacher’s are not paid poorly and tenure is doing nothing other than letting bad teachers remain teaching.

]]> By: Evan http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/teachers-anger/comment-page-1/#comment-28290 Evan Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:48:46 +0000 http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/?p=2753#comment-28290 Sweet...another angry teacher, who didn't read even the previous comment. So I'll just repost it “The salary thing is VERY different on Long Island. VERY Different. I know starting elementary teachers making $55,000. I also know 30 something year old teachers with masters +15 making close to 100K. Albeit she teaches calculus which SHOULD be paid more. “Can’t get fired?! What state are you living in?!” New York. Actually in NYC they are so hesitant to fire they put teachers in “rubber rooms” where they can’t teach but still get paid! Guaranteed Raises – Chris Christie actually asked the teachers to forgo their GUARANTEED raises and he was met with death threats from the teachers union. 3 months off – In New York – All of August, All of July, and multiple week/2 week off vacations. I am sorry teaching is rough down there, but up here is MUCH different.” ““You wouldn’t last a week” AND THAT IS WHY TEACHERS ANGER ME! Right there. There it is. Thank you. I get it, teaching is hard, but how about you come to my job? How about you try my brother’s job of running into burning buildings? How about my buddy who is a doctor at night in a busy hospital? or my friend the financial planner? I get it, teaching is difficult and you feel underappreciated and undercompensated…well guess what so do most people, but we don’t have pensions.” I do respect teachers, I get it is hard to impart wisdom while controlling a classroom. I really think my problem with the profession is that MOST (and I am not including you in this because quite frankly I don’t know you) teachers that I know believe they have the HARDEST and MOST STRESSFUL job in the entire world. MOST teachers that I know (again I know nothing about you) believe they are entitled to the things I mentioned above…without a care as to how the economy is doing. Sweet…another angry teacher, who didn’t read even the previous comment. So I’ll just repost it

“The salary thing is VERY different on Long Island. VERY Different. I know starting elementary teachers making $55,000. I also know 30 something year old teachers with masters +15 making close to 100K. Albeit she teaches calculus which SHOULD be paid more.

“Can’t get fired?! What state are you living in?!” New York. Actually in NYC they are so hesitant to fire they put teachers in “rubber rooms” where they can’t teach but still get paid!

Guaranteed Raises – Chris Christie actually asked the teachers to forgo their GUARANTEED raises and he was met with death threats from the teachers union.

3 months off – In New York – All of August, All of July, and multiple week/2 week off vacations.

I am sorry teaching is rough down there, but up here is MUCH different.”

““You wouldn’t last a week”

AND THAT IS WHY TEACHERS ANGER ME! Right there. There it is. Thank you.

I get it, teaching is hard, but how about you come to my job? How about you try my brother’s job of running into burning buildings? How about my buddy who is a doctor at night in a busy hospital? or my friend the financial planner?

I get it, teaching is difficult and you feel underappreciated and undercompensated…well guess what so do most people, but we don’t have pensions.”

I do respect teachers, I get it is hard to impart wisdom while controlling a classroom. I really think my problem with the profession is that MOST (and I am not including you in this because quite frankly I don’t know you) teachers that I know believe they have the HARDEST and MOST STRESSFUL job in the entire world. MOST teachers that I know (again I know nothing about you) believe they are entitled to the things I mentioned above…without a care as to how the economy is doing.

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